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    Hello Terry,

    My Eurosport is having carburetor issues again; I know for a fact the carbs are perfectly clean because they have been rebuilt twice in the last six months (my fuel tank was having some liner disintigration issues).

    However, I am not sure that my carb synchronizer is not a complete piece of shit, and as such causing the problem. If I follow what the synchronizer is telling me, the bike runs like a one legged Special Olympics hurdler with Tourette's Syndrome.

    If I dial it way the hell out of "balance" (according to the tool), the idle gets higher and runs like Jessie Owens.

    Thoughts?
    (P.S.- no leaks, tested it with ether)
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    Tim, I am not familiar with a Eurosport, I do remember that the CX's had metal slide diaphragms that would wear out and cause balancing/running problems. I actually worked on 2 that had bad worn slides, replaced with new ones and they both ran great again. Hope this helps. Oh, slides came with carb tops.
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    Jimmie is right, the diaphragms can crack or not seat correctly, if they are a tad worn, there can be air leaks, if rebuilt these should had been replaced, if not then bad on the rebuiler.

    Syncing them if I remember is vacum based not just feeling the slides, like todays sport bikes the throttle tubes can become out of sync causing issues like you describe. Most people dont even notice. Get em sync'd

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1-Limited View Post
    Jimmie is right, the diaphragms can crack or not seat correctly, if they are a tad worn, there can be air leaks, if rebuilt these should had been replaced, if not then bad on the rebuiler.

    Syncing them if I remember is vacum based not just feeling the slides, like todays sport bikes the throttle tubes can become out of sync causing issues like you describe. Most people dont even notice. Get em sync'd
    John, they are aluminum, can't crack at all. Think piston (slide) and cylinder (carb top) the slide and card top wear and the slide can actually bind in the top.
    Here is a picture of a CX/GL slide and carb top


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    Hi Jimmie,

    The slide diaphragms are fine, polished and pretty. No binding at all. This does remind me of something that the rebuilder mentioned though, I'll have to see if he actually did something about it. . .
    didn't think about it until you mentioned it.
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    Wow, learn something everyday, thanks for the photo. Well forget the Rubber, your ok no wholes poked so I doubt you got pregnant from....

    Oh Wait Never mind.

    Then the only thing left is to assume there is a vacum leak or lack there of. It may just well be in the body itself. One of the best Carb cleaning tools I ever have used is a Welders Nozzle file. It has a dozen or so very fine Jewler small files that you cab use to get into the smallest areas. The best part is they are pliable so they will follow the curves of the internal routes. Sometimes its just a plugged artery

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    Warning Will Robinson, Do Not Use Welder Tip Cleaners!!! The little serrations on the wires WILL resize your jets to an unknown size . . . Always use a smooth wire, preferably a tool like the Honda Jet Cleaner like I use #07JPZ-001010B.
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    The carbs were both completely stripped down and each port, emulsifier, tube, jet, needle, seat, and passage, was checked and cleared. Twice.

    It has something to do with the idle circuit only. On gas (especially full throttle), it does run fine.
    The spark plugs both are a nice light brown.

    That's why I am so stymied, I would be suspecting the spark system otherwise.
    CX650 Turbo, CX650 Eurosport, DR-Z400 SM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmie View Post
    Warning Will Robinson, Do Not Use Welder Tip Cleaners!!! The little serrations on the wires WILL resize your jets to an unknown size . . . Always use a smooth wire, preferably a tool like the Honda Jet Cleaner like I use #07JPZ-001010B.

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    Jimmie I agree, somewhat, the great thing with these tools are you can use them in smaller than actual hole :)

    I should have articulated the HOW TO USE AND CAUTION aspect. Yes your correct, and this will do what you said if used incorrectly. Many times all you need is to get in and break the crap and using the file will do just that. So the rule of thumb in doing the cleaning with a Welders Tip Cleaner

    Treat it like its a VIRGIN, Be gentle, don't force it, slip it in real, real slow and if its to tight, never push you will ruin the entire experience.

    BTW, I did my Finest jetting with that file set :)

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    Tim, you are on the right track suspecting the pilot circuit. Because it runs so well at full throttle, the slide is working and moving. How far out of sync to get it to run well? Mercury style stick has lines, 4 lines, 6 lines, etc.? Dial type uses inches of water collum. How many inches from carb to carb to get good running?

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